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  I don't get it

  by lola28 in

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  i need some help in understanding something that's been bothering me for a while, please give me some insight on this.

  i often see posts here where some take shots at elders and witnesses for working as janitors and window washers, and it's always bothered me.

  i mean does it really matter what they do for a living as long as they are making a living honestly?

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  but they have chosen to be witnesses and they are dong hard honest work, I don’t see why some are so set on ridiculing them.

  Not, never have been, etc.

  I ridicule nobody because of their job.

  Fortunately, I'm retired now and don't have to work. When I did, I had a fairly senior position. After that, I had a lot of fun doing 'manual' work moving furniture. In a couple of months, I may look for a job (just to prevent boredom) as a waiter or something. Society is wrong to classify people by the job they choose to do. If I was in the UK, I wouldn't mind a part-time job collecting supermarket trolleys.

  But I still come back to this: in an organisation which is as controlling of every aspect of life as WTBTS is, it is fair to question the qualifications, experience and training of those who would seek to intervene in areas which in 'real life' are properly regarded as being reserved for 'professionals'.

  Just my thoughts.
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  Need Your Opinions.. To have dinner with inquiring minds or not??

  by Lady Liberty in

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  hello dear friends... well, many of you are aware of my on going daily saga.

  my husband and i left the organization about a year and a half ago.

  we have not been disfellowshipped, nor have we disassociated ourselves.

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  The thing to remember is that the organisation only has such power as YOU choose to give it (or, as a wise poster said recently, as the French Foreign Legion).

  Assuming that you and your OH aren't deserters from the Legion des Etrangers, that equates to bugger all in the real world.
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  Need Your Opinions.. To have dinner with inquiring minds or not??

  by Lady Liberty in

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  hello dear friends... well, many of you are aware of my on going daily saga.

  my husband and i left the organization about a year and a half ago.

  we have not been disfellowshipped, nor have we disassociated ourselves.

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  Joe Grundy

  If you really feel that you want to go, you could always use the argument 'there are some things that should be kept between husband and wife and their god/Jehovah/Allah/whoever'. If they ask you direct questions, try shrugging and saying 'inshallah' in an ironic sort of voice.
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  ex-Bethelites - How many people at Bethel were anointed?

  by Lady Lee in

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  i read an interesting question on one of my threadshow many people at bethel were anointed?

  how many of those were on the gb?can you estimate the percentage of people at bethel who were anointed vs non-anointed?

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  Well, QED, Lady Lee!

  WTBTS can't have it both ways, can they?

  Yes, OK, I suppose they can! (In their own minds, anyway!)
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  I don't get it

  by lola28 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i need some help in understanding something that's been bothering me for a while, please give me some insight on this.

  i often see posts here where some take shots at elders and witnesses for working as janitors and window washers, and it's always bothered me.

  i mean does it really matter what they do for a living as long as they are making a living honestly?

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  Joe Grundy

  I probably meant 'detrimental' rather than 'deleterious' so forgive me.

  I only popped home for a shower between bars (a bit hot here).
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  I don't get it

  by lola28 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i need some help in understanding something that's been bothering me for a while, please give me some insight on this.

  i often see posts here where some take shots at elders and witnesses for working as janitors and window washers, and it's always bothered me.

  i mean does it really matter what they do for a living as long as they are making a living honestly?

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  Joe Grundy

  I a'm not, never have been a JW, etc.

  I have every respect for anyone who does a job well and I feel that they can take pride in that, whatever the job may be.

  But I make no apology for banging on about my favourite subject here, and it echoes what others wth personal experience of the JWs are saying.

  These people are absolutely NOT qualified to deal with abuse issues, child or adult.

  Letting them get involved in these issues is dangerous for the victims, especially child victims.

  No disrespect to anybody for how they earn their living, but to accord 'elders' some sort of status in real-world matters, or the 'organisation' as a whole come to that, is non-sensical and can be deleterious for all involved.
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  Need Your Opinions.. To have dinner with inquiring minds or not??

  by Lady Liberty in

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  hello dear friends... well, many of you are aware of my on going daily saga.

  my husband and i left the organization about a year and a half ago.

  we have not been disfellowshipped, nor have we disassociated ourselves.

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  Hi!

  I'm not and never have been, etc.

  My opinion? Don't go! You won't enjoy dinner anyway with all this at the back of your mind.

  And - this is only what I've picked up from JWD - people will believe whatever they want to (fuelled, as ever, by gossip) so there doesn't seem much to gain.
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  Let's Be REAL

  by purplesofa in

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  about prayer, about god, about life, about who we are.. the other day i was taking a call from my daughter at bootcamp.

  she is distressed and i found myself comforting her by saying remember jehovah loves you.. while driving and thinking, i asked god to look after her while she was in bootcamp......uggggggggggg............ then i thought......why don't i tell her to call upon her own skills, to think, tell myself to remember that i raised a smart thinking girl that can take care of herself.. why discount the work that we have done in raising our children or discount our own determination, drive and ambition?.

  i found more comfort and peace with this thinking than handing it over to some mysterious god, that i felt like if was truely her "father" would not have let her go to the army in the first place.. i love and respect creation......nature, the planet, and i am perfectly happy in how it got here to be a mystery to me......it is no more mysterious to me than some being creating it.. my thoughts for the morning.. purps

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  purps:

  When you get low on this sort of thing, you really get low ....

  She's part-way through it already. It gets easier as you progress. Honestly.

  I have two adult children. Really, all you can do is bring them up and hope. I've been lucky. Hope you will be too. Good luck to your daughter.
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  ex-Bethelites - How many people at Bethel were anointed?

  by Lady Lee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

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  i read an interesting question on one of my threadshow many people at bethel were anointed?

  how many of those were on the gb?can you estimate the percentage of people at bethel who were anointed vs non-anointed?

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  To me (as a sceptic) it just highlights where Russell, Rutherford, et seq, went wrong.

  They should have kept their religion more vague.

  Now, with the benefit of time having passed, it becomes clearer (new light ? !) that this was just another product of the mid 19th century craze for new religions.
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  Let's Be REAL

  by purplesofa in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  about prayer, about god, about life, about who we are.. the other day i was taking a call from my daughter at bootcamp.

  she is distressed and i found myself comforting her by saying remember jehovah loves you.. while driving and thinking, i asked god to look after her while she was in bootcamp......uggggggggggg............ then i thought......why don't i tell her to call upon her own skills, to think, tell myself to remember that i raised a smart thinking girl that can take care of herself.. why discount the work that we have done in raising our children or discount our own determination, drive and ambition?.

  i found more comfort and peace with this thinking than handing it over to some mysterious god, that i felt like if was truely her "father" would not have let her go to the army in the first place.. i love and respect creation......nature, the planet, and i am perfectly happy in how it got here to be a mystery to me......it is no more mysterious to me than some being creating it.. my thoughts for the morning.. purps

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  Purplesofa:

  If it's any consolation at all, in my early 20s I did 10 weeks 'bootcamp'. It was police, not miltary, and it was in the UK, but it really was not that different - except for the law etc. classes.

  At the time, I thought I hated it. When I graduated, i was extemely proud of myself, and so were others.

  Looking back now, it was a great time. As others said to me - and I said to others - 'If you can't take a joke you shouldn't have joined'. Haha, it took me a long time to get the joke.

  Your daughter is already part way through this. When she completes it, she will feel proud of herself and will have had the benefit of an experience not too many get and fewer complete. However things go in the future, she'll always be able to say 'I did that' and I got through it. Something to be proud of.